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Yes Fish, and what did he do?

Then ask yourself, what did he not do?

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Life wrote:Yes Fish, and what did he do?

Then ask yourself, what did he not do?

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Life wrote:Yes Fish, and what did he do?

Then ask yourself, what did he not do?

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Well it depends on where we draw our information from concerning Jesus Christ. For me the most important thing he did was to rise from the dead. Death and eternity is a big concern for many and i like to trust someone who has crossed that boundary and come back again.
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Howdy Fish

You have to look at that statement in its time.

To be classed as dead meant without light, to have light without the keys you were classed as blind.

To remove the sword from the stone and ascension, was termed raised from the dead into the light of the spirit.

Are you understanding what you stated in a physical five sense bodily death? and resurrection of the body to life?

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Are you understanding what you stated in a physical five sense bodily death? and resurrection of the body to life?
Do you?

I think fish may know about Lazarus and perhaps other examples. He may even know what has to be done to experience the out of body experience at will. And it cannot be done with drugs of any kind.
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Andrew wrote:http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0301451h.html#26

If you cross reference it, it is wrong in many places.
Could you provide some evidence for your assertion, please? Specifically, is it 'wrong' in the rendition/translation (plus millennia of opportunity to 'revise' the text?) of James, son of Zebedee?
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Great! Does that trust extend to those of us who have had near/beyond-physical death experiences? Otherwise there is a danger of comparing known instances of resurrection with steel buildings collapsing into their own footprint by fire alone ;-)
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Could you provide some evidence for your assertion, please? Specifically, is it 'wrong' in the rendition/translation (plus millennia of opportunity to 'revise' the text?) of James, son of Zebedee?
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JAMES
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On the Kingdoms of the World

Upon a day in the spring of the year Jesus stood in the market-place of Jerusalem and He spoke to the multitudes of the kingdom of heaven.

...........................

“In truth the earth is fair and all that is upon her is fair.

“But there is a kingdom beyond all that you behold, and therein I shall rule. And if it is your choice, and if it is indeed your desire, you too shall come and rule with me."
Who rules the Kingdom of Heaven? And He knew He would not be ruling anywhere on earth any time then. Think of the rest of Scripture etc.
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Mmmm, outside the magic roundabout, we have a picture now formed in which understanding what the hell happened to a supposed morality is at hand :

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Something perverse going on here - Blair is not a proper Christian. He's a Rosicrucian, a fake masonic Christian.
Press Association wrote:Blair: Religion is force for good
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Tony Blair has defended religious faith as a force for good in the world during a televised debate with atheist and columnist Christopher Hitchens.
The former prime minister said it was true that "people commit horrific acts of evil in the name of religion".
But Mr Blair, who converted to Catholicism in 2007, said it was also true that religion inspires acts of extraordinary good.
And he said it was important not to condemn all people of religious faith because of the "bigotry or prejudice shown by some".
Mr Blair also told the 2,700-strong audience in Toronto, Canada, the invasion of Iraq was "not about religious faith" but decisions on the war were "based on policy".
He said it was "futile" to try to "drive religion out" and it was more important to concentrate on how to get people of different faiths to work together, particularly in the Middle East where the conflict would only be resolved if people worked across the "faith divide".
Sceptic Mr Hitchens, who has terminal cancer, likened God to a "celestial dictatorship, a kind of divine North Korea".
He appeared to win over the audience, which voted two-to-one in his favour following the debate, which argued the motion "be it resolved, religion is a force for good in the world".
Mr Blair, 57, who became a practising Christian while studying at Oxford University, said: "It is undoubtedly true that people commit horrific acts of evil in the name of religion. It is also undoubtedly true that people do acts of extraordinary common good inspired by religion."
He pointed to the good done by faith based organisations, including the millions of lives saved in Africa and care for the mentally ill, disabled and destitute, adding: "The proposition that religion is unadulterated poison is unsustainable. It can be destructive, it can also create a deep well of compassion, and frequently does."
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Tony, I am not trying to add to the perversity here but what exactly is a proper Christian, in your view?

It's somewhat problematical to have its tenets spelled out by a known war criminal... Bliar's unfortunate reference to the 'good' done in Africa does not gell at all with what his terminally sick masters have had in store for Africa for decades:-

eg: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/1 ... 24943.html
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Tony, I am not trying to add to the perversity here but what exactly is a proper Christian, in your view?

It's somewhat problematical to have its tenets spelled out by a known war criminal... Bliar's unfortunate reference to the 'good' done in Africa does not gell at all with what his terminally sick masters, hiding behind the cloak of 'Christian respectability', have had in store for Africa, particularly its children, for decades. Eg: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/1 ... 24943.html
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TonyGosling wrote:Something perverse going on here - Blair is not a proper Christian. He's a Rosicrucian, a fake masonic Christian.
Indeed.

To try to answer your question Thermate.

a real Christian is somebody who not only recognises the divine in Christ and his teachings but also tries to put into practice that teaching. The real Christian will humbly imitate Christ by his or her love of God and others. He/she will understand that Christianity is not about power and domination but about love and service.

It appears to me that Blair sees the Christian (or maybe Catholic) Church as a means of controlling the minds of humanity in concert with and service of the Satanic New World Order. Utterly baffling really, unless he is really a very wicked individual indeed.

Better stop there.

I'm starting to have some rather unChristian thoughts.

Hey, maybe he's genuine in his own twisted way but, forgive me Lord, I fail to understand how such a thing could be possible.
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A follower of Christ's teachings perhaps?
Try putting it into Google Thermate
And try contributing for a change
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African Children Denounced As "Witches" By Christian Pastors
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/1 ... nounce_n_3 24943.html

There was a thread about Vaccines and big pharma or similar:
with a post about "witchcraft" and about the story of Macbeth (Shakespeare) witchcraft and sorcery, the fuedal systemy etc.

Witchcraft is Pharmacy. And the real harm it causes and also by intent, as a machiavellian money spinner. Via sorcery, some have twisted the meaning of Scripture.

(edit) Pharmacy: genenticaly modified organisms, chemicals, etc.

Galatians
5:18 But IF ye be led by the Spirit, ye are not under The Law.
5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
5:20 Idolatry, pharmacy, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall NOT inherit the Kingdom of God.


Jesus came to abolish the priesthood except for himself alone as the sole representative of the priesthood, being both High-Priest and King, after the order of Melchizedek.
He told his followers including the apostles and it is written in the Gospel of Matthew, that they must not be priests (rabbi) and must not be called father:-

23:8 But be not ye called priest (etc.): for One is your Teacher, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren.
23:9 And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, [even] Christ.


Jesus told his TRUE followers, and it is written, again in Matthew, that they must NOT go to church and must NOT pray in church or in public, as the hypocrites DO.

6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt NOT be as the hypocrites [ARE]: for they love to pray standing in the churches and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. (They wanted to be seen by men and they have been).
6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and WHEN THOU HAST SHUT THY DOOR, pray to thy Father in private (telepathically); and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. (Because He will answer you because you obeyed His instructions about how to do it, and when He does you will be so amazed that everyone will notice the change in you).


Therefore the parts of The Old Covenant that relate to the priesthood, churches and the animal sacrifices, for redemption from sin, are now OBSOLETE.

Let us now see how this affects the "Song of Moses" written in Deuteronomy. It does not affect the national and moral Law, in any way, exactly as Jesus himself stated clearly, and it is written, again in the Gospel of Matthew:-

5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy The Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from The Law, till all be fulfilled.
5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least COMMANDments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of heaven.
5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall EXCEED [the righteousness] of the lawyers and politicians (who were also priests because the church and the state were one at that time), ye shall in NO case enter into the Kingdom of heaven.
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‘Homosexuality is a sin’ street preacher wins £7k from police
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A street preacher wrongly arrested for saying homosexuality is a sin has won substantial damages as police chiefs issue new guidelines telling officers to be more thick-skinned......
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The way Wikipedia begins its description of him by dissing Ron Wyatt immediately made me think he must have crediility. The area in Eastern Turkey which he talks of has been under military occupation because of disputes between the Turks and the Kurds ever since.

Loads of more recent pictures
http://www.anchorstone.com/
http://www.throneofgod.com/trip/ark.htm

A 1988 interview with the late Ron Wyatt discussing Noah's Ark, the Ark of the Covenant and more.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y5ORpMTebI[/youtube]
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Ron Wyatt talk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss9VaS1lPok

Ron Wyatt talks about finding the ark of the covenant in a cave North of Jerusalem, and takes questions from the audience.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfYpYv_A4Ns[/youtube]
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More recently in 2010 - Was Noah's Ark Found?
Expedition crew in Turkey is 99.9 percent sure it's uncovered the remains.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/noahs-a ... d-10496395
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How can the discovery in Turkey be the supposed Ark when theres no scientific evidence of a biblical style flood ?

This is Hancock, Tsarrion territory

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Mr-Bridger wrote:How can the discovery in Turkey be the supposed Ark when theres no scientific evidence of a biblical style flood ?

This is Hancock, Tsarrion territory

Longtime no speak btw :D

How about miles of ICE in the ice ages?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age
During the most recent North American glaciation, during the latter part of the Wisconsin Stage (26,000 to 13,300 years ago), ice sheets extended to about 45 degrees north latitude. These sheets were 3 to 4 km thick.[52]
Theories of the Ice Age

http://www.sentex.net/~tcc/iceage.html
Introduction
Supporters of the glacial theory have yet to solve the problem of its cause. A.P. Coleman referred to this as a "terrifying question," but most geologists have apparently become immune to the terror and accept the glacial theory as something beyond question, some even saying it is a "proven fact." Typical is the following statement [Bird, 1972, p. 22, 23]:

Although the mid-twentieth century accepts the Great Ice Age as a proven fact, in the early 1900's there were still some who rejected it. ... In North America, the new ideas caught men's minds very early. In 1846, Agassiz came to Harvard. His advocacy stimulated tremendous interest, but made few converts for two decades. Today the debate is over. We know as surely as we know anything about the earth's past that repeated cold periods have buried the northern continents in ice during the last million years.

Perhaps this level of confidence about the Ice Age is temporary. At any rate, the problem of a cause has been a vexing one, and on this page some of the failed theories are briefly described.
Creation Or Evolution?

http://revolutionharry.blogspot.com/201 ... ution.html

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Dr. David Berlinski.

Dr.Gerald Schroeder Genesis & The Big Bang Theory.

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Russian and Jordanian archaeologists have joined to investigate the possible location of the ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah, the cities which, according to the Bible, were destroyed by the Lord with brimstone and fire for the sins of their people.
An unnamed Russian company has agreed to sponsor the expedition in exchange for exclusive rights for filming it and producing a documentary about the search, Jordanian and Israeli press report.
The exact location of the legendary cities are not known, although they must have been somewhere near the Dead Sea. Possible scenarios for their destruction, along with the lesser-known biblical “cities of the plain” Admah, Zeboim and Bela, include a powerful earthquake and a catastrophic meteorite impact.
Zia Madani, Jordanian head of the project, says resent satellite images made by NASA point show some ruins underwater, which may be remains of Sodom and Gomorrah. He adds that Israel tried to investigate them, but Jordanian authorities blocked the search on their territory.
Now a Russian company, which has equipment for underwater operations designed to resist the high salinity of the Dead Sea, will conduct the archaeological research together with the Jordanian side.
Israeli media speculate that the move may be aimed at attracting tourists to Jordan. Israel claims to have the ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah on its own territory, on the south-eastern bank of the Dead Sea.
http://rt.com/news/sci-tech/search-cities-sodom-dead/
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Ooh that is a very John Martin looking painting there.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=john+m ... 80&bih=961

think that search answers that :o
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Disturbing Childrens Cartoon Banned From TV

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Particularly good service today with reading from Paul with some advice for the wealthy which David Cameron is not heeding.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b011ckmc
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b011ckmc

From Salisbury Cathedral.
Introit: Holy is the true light (David Halls)
Responses: Radcliffe
Psalms: 15, 16, 96 (Elgar, Musgrove, Harris)
First Lesson: Ecclesiasticus 2 vv 1-23
Office Hymn: Sing Alleluya forth ye saints on high (Martins)
Canticles: Jesus College Service (Mathias)
Second Lesson: 1 Timothy 6 vv 11-19
Anthem: Give us the wings of faith (Bullock)
Hymn: With the saints whose stories stir us (Regent Square)
Te Deum in C (Stanford)
Organ Voluntary: Fantasy on 'Babylon's Streams' (Harris)
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William Holman Hunt's researches disclosed that on the Festival of the Day of Atonement, a goat was ejected from the temple with a scarlet piece of woolen cloth on its head. It was goaded and driven, either to death or into the wilderness, carrying with it the sins of the congregation. It was believed that if these sins were forgiven the scarlet cloth would turn white. Hunt regarded the Old Testament scapegoat as a prefigurement of the New Testament Christ whose suffering and death similarly expunged man's sins.
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William Holman Hunt's researches disclosed that on the Festival of the Day of Atonement, a goat was ejected from the temple with a scarlet piece of woolen cloth on its head. It was goaded and driven, either to death or into the wilderness, carrying with it the sins of the congregation. It was believed that if these sins were forgiven the scarlet cloth would turn white. Hunt regarded the Old Testament scapegoat as a prefigurement of the New Testament Christ whose suffering and death similarly expunged man's sins.
Hmmm, it says nothing of the cloth in the Bible, but seems a way of weaning people off other practices at the time; or as the case may be.

16:22 And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.

17:7 And they shall no more offer their sacrifices unto devils, after whom they have gone a whoring. This shall be a Statute for ever unto them throughout their generations.

18:21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through [the fire] to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I [am] the "I AM".

Etc, etc.


They always seem to miss the penalty clause in the New Contract too.
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Today's new Archbishop of Canterbury is the satanic priest personified. Just about credible to the most naive Christians he is a darling of fascist Jonathan Aitken & a former oil man & investment banker, perfect for the future role of lemming to steer the Church of England down the ever steepening path to total apostasy & hell, just as foretold go the Bible he pretends to follow
Justin Welby, Illuminati head of the incredibly wealthy increasingly fake church in the UK
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