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I can't see any notice of this forthcoming event anywhere on the site (are we not endorsing it ?)
7th July, 7.30PM, Logan Hall, Central London.
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7th July, 7.30PM, Logan Hall, Central London.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyJZ6kDG ... annel_page
CHANGE OF VENUE SEE LATER POSTS
Tue07Jul - LONDON - 9/11, Exploring The Evidence
Professor Niels Harrit of University of Copenhagen and Architects and Engineers For 911 Truth
Prof Harrit is one of the scientists who tested and discovered for themselves the unreacted thermite and spheroidal iron spheres indicating molten metal.
http://www.calgary911truth.org/my_weblo ... -cent.html
Also Kevin Barrett of - http://www.truthjihad.com - speaking
http://www.truthjihad.com/
Logan Hall
London 7:30pm
Further details asap
Prof Harrit is one of the scientists who tested and discovered for themselves the unreacted thermite and spheroidal iron spheres indicating molten metal.
http://www.calgary911truth.org/my_weblo ... -cent.html
Also Kevin Barrett of - http://www.truthjihad.com - speaking
http://www.truthjihad.com/
Logan Hall
London 7:30pm
Further details asap
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EDIT: I will be returning on that day but probably won't come. I'm not too impressed with the publicity and "secrecy".
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I understand Belinda Mckenzie? is looking after kevin barretts UK tour. Not sure about this conference.IanFantom wrote:Is someone actually promoting this conference? Where are the details? The video is very professional, but it's not going to get people there without a reference to a site with the programme, etc.
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As I understand it the organisers of this event, whom we didn't know, phoned Belinda out of the blue to say they were putting on this event. There then followed a meeting between them, Belinda, NKastro and Jasper Tomlinson at which Belinda at least became convinced these were genuine well-intentioned people. They made an agreement that folk from the old British 9/11 truth campaign would not interfere with this event but would be supportive. They are professional events organisers, have booked a hall which holds 900 and reckon there is so much interest out there which they have established through their own networks that they will have no difficulty filling it.
But I wonder if they are being over-optimistic given that the maximum audience we have ever managed to attract to a 9/11 event was 600 for David Ray Griffin two years ago at a time when our national network was united and flourishing. At his return visit earlier this year, organised primarily by We Are Change but with some help from others, we achieved an audience of only 160.
With this thought in mind I wrote to these organisers, Adrian and Francesco, of Delasca Events http://delasca.com/conferences.htm suggesting we might publicise this event through our mailing lists. I have received no reply.
Apparently they thought that Kevin Barrett, founder of MUJCA, who despite his name ia a Muslim, would attract a large Muslim audience.
I got the impression from Belinda that they didn't want our help.
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But I wonder if they are being over-optimistic given that the maximum audience we have ever managed to attract to a 9/11 event was 600 for David Ray Griffin two years ago at a time when our national network was united and flourishing. At his return visit earlier this year, organised primarily by We Are Change but with some help from others, we achieved an audience of only 160.
With this thought in mind I wrote to these organisers, Adrian and Francesco, of Delasca Events http://delasca.com/conferences.htm suggesting we might publicise this event through our mailing lists. I have received no reply.
Apparently they thought that Kevin Barrett, founder of MUJCA, who despite his name ia a Muslim, would attract a large Muslim audience.
I got the impression from Belinda that they didn't want our help.
Noel
07/07/09 - LONDON - 9/11 Exploring Evidence Summit
Niels Harrit & Kevin Barrett are in London to attend the Exploring Evidence Summit on Tuesday 7th July 2009. The event starts at 7pm and finishes at 10.30-11pm
For more information visit:
www.exploringevidence.co.uk
For more information visit:
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website blurb says book early as they expect sell out. That would be marvellous as the hall seats 900+. Richard Gage and David Ray Griffin couldnt get near that figure. Sorry its the skeptic in me. Whose heard of Niels Harrit before the unreacted thermite story broke?
£20 and on a Tuesday.
Organisers--very best of luck in getting your full house. One occasion i really hope to eat humble pie.
£20 and on a Tuesday.
Organisers--very best of luck in getting your full house. One occasion i really hope to eat humble pie.
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How many nano-technologists do any of us know by name? ;-)fish5133 wrote: Whose heard of Niels Harrit before the unreacted thermite story broke?
In the first 100 scroogle returns on Dr.Harrit, I can find only one that doesn't refer to nano-thermite - here: http://www.iupac.org/web/per/harrit
The amount of damage control (inc. a whole panoply of twisted, out of context disinfo) taking place over 'his' paper is truly extraordinary - eg.
http://ronmossad.blogspot.com/2009/04/f ... rmite.html
But then, the perps have so very much to loose, including their country...
Even at £20, this IS going to be a sellout - after all, it's small change for perp-side hecklers... I just pray the organisers have a good security team well versed in Mossad tactics.
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£20 is nothing nowdays compared to around £160 odd,gold (silver and bronze) for last weekends AV2 "experience.
There's money to be made in the truth market after all,maybe I should charge for the dvd's I've been handing out?
That said,the problem with this thermate/thermite/super thermite theory is the "chain of evidence", who really knows where this stuff originates from,if in fact it actually exists at all?
There's money to be made in the truth market after all,maybe I should charge for the dvd's I've been handing out?
That said,the problem with this thermate/thermite/super thermite theory is the "chain of evidence", who really knows where this stuff originates from,if in fact it actually exists at all?
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Going by the last 2 posts I must be in the wrong forum as I thought we in the Truth movement could see through obvious illusionary tactics of designed "party" capitlation for another,to progress the plans of the one world government!
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Truth events
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It should be no surprise whatsoever that the most successful Truth events are organised by individuals operating outside of the 9/11 Truth Movement. From personal experience, I would encourage anyone planning or thinking of organising any public event to remain independent of any 'movement'.
Those individuals who claim to represent the 9/11 Truth Movement and who attempt to align themselves or get involved with independently organised events are generally to be avoided.
To anyone thinking of organising an event, my counsel is to work with individuals whom you know and trust. At the first sign of any disruptive behaviour (e.g. long drawn out Email debates over minutiae; offering to take responsibility for something then not delivering; etc) , distance yourselves from these individuals asap.
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I regret to say that this is an absolute essential for the success of any event. There are individuals at the 'core' of the UK 9/11 Truth Movement who have persistently and consistently proven themselves to be masterful at ensuring the ineffectiveness of the UK 9/11 Truth Movement.They made an agreement that folk from the old British 9/11 truth campaign would not interfere with this event but would be supportive.
It should be no surprise whatsoever that the most successful Truth events are organised by individuals operating outside of the 9/11 Truth Movement. From personal experience, I would encourage anyone planning or thinking of organising any public event to remain independent of any 'movement'.
Those individuals who claim to represent the 9/11 Truth Movement and who attempt to align themselves or get involved with independently organised events are generally to be avoided.
To anyone thinking of organising an event, my counsel is to work with individuals whom you know and trust. At the first sign of any disruptive behaviour (e.g. long drawn out Email debates over minutiae; offering to take responsibility for something then not delivering; etc) , distance yourselves from these individuals asap.
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Impossible not to agree Ian.ianrcrane wrote:Noel wrote:I regret to say that this is an absolute essential for the success of any event. There are individuals at the 'core' of the UK 9/11 Truth Movement who have persistently and consistently proven themselves to be masterful at ensuring the ineffectiveness of the UK 9/11 Truth Movement.They made an agreement that folk from the old British 9/11 truth campaign would not interfere with this event but would be supportive.
Why on earth would the organisers not want as many 9/11 truth movement activists as possible to 'interfere' with this 9/11 Truth event?
Who are the organisers? Are they going to get the talk advertised nationally or something? Puzzling stuff.
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It's all starting to make sense to me now, since the London meeting on Monday (June 1). The group that is organising the event consists of two media professionals, working under the name "A Critical State".
One of them was present at the meeting, and this was the main point of the discussion. He said that they were asking as many truthers as possible to subscribe to their YouTube site at http://www.youtube.com/user/ACriticalState .
On that site they state:
The project does look to me to be positive and professional, and in need of support from individuals. They showed printed posters and leaflets. They are planning a series of public meetings on the theme 'Exploring the Evidence'. So they are not specifically a 9/11 group, but are focused on the wider issues.
I think now that this is a very positive initiative. Yes, it is advertised at £20, but there's a £5 discount if you look at their website. Their website for this series is at http://www.exploringevidence.co.uk/ . The videos section is rather interesting. One of the speakers at the forthcoming conference, Niels Harrit, is interviewed on Danish television (with subtitles in English). Very impressive.
I'm not clear on what their marketing strategy is, but I think it's mainly Internet-based. I think what we should have been discussing, but ran out of time for, was what individual truthers could do in London to help this along. Where can we put up posters? Where is the target group for handing out leaflets? That's something to be explored.
One of them was present at the meeting, and this was the main point of the discussion. He said that they were asking as many truthers as possible to subscribe to their YouTube site at http://www.youtube.com/user/ACriticalState .
On that site they state:
The guy who was present also asked about the structure of the 9/11 movement in London. That was a difficult one to answer, because it's a mess. The purpose of that meeting was not to make decisions, but just to discuss. It was, however, a good positive discussion.A Critical State is a London based organisation that has been formed to deliver political and social content to the UK public in the form of conferences and seminars. Issues which are at the heart of A Critical State are civil liberties, government coverups, hidden govt./corporate agendas and the argument for war.
A Critical State plans to deliver well produced events on topics which are given little if any attention in the mainstream media. In essence we will strive to be the medium between extremely important information relevant to today and real pressure which will elevate real issues into the mainstream media so change can truly materialise.
The project does look to me to be positive and professional, and in need of support from individuals. They showed printed posters and leaflets. They are planning a series of public meetings on the theme 'Exploring the Evidence'. So they are not specifically a 9/11 group, but are focused on the wider issues.
I think now that this is a very positive initiative. Yes, it is advertised at £20, but there's a £5 discount if you look at their website. Their website for this series is at http://www.exploringevidence.co.uk/ . The videos section is rather interesting. One of the speakers at the forthcoming conference, Niels Harrit, is interviewed on Danish television (with subtitles in English). Very impressive.
I'm not clear on what their marketing strategy is, but I think it's mainly Internet-based. I think what we should have been discussing, but ran out of time for, was what individual truthers could do in London to help this along. Where can we put up posters? Where is the target group for handing out leaflets? That's something to be explored.
Why would real activists in London want to spend their time promoting Kevin Barratt who, while probably having good intentions, tends to promote anyone and anything including TV Fakery, No Planes Theory, Holocaust Denial and all other manner of topics which can only damage the reputation of sensible 9/11 truth activists?
Niels Harritt is of course, of real value to the campaign for truth. A real credentialed scientist, who has lead-authored a real peer reviewed study and appeared to promote the material on real main stream media in Denmark.
It is highly suspicious that when someone as valuable to this campaign turns up on the scene, some people seem desperate to quickly ascoiate him with people who have shown themselves to be supporters of some of the wildest and least credible theories both in 9/11 truth and outside it.
Why couldn't the organisers have asked any number of other leading figures in US 9/11 truth to come over - there's:
Ryan, S. Jones, Hoffman, Gage, Griffin amongst many others who could have complimented someone of Harritts calibre - why on earth is Barrett the one who is invited and why should any activist in London support this muddying of the waters?
Niels Harritt is of course, of real value to the campaign for truth. A real credentialed scientist, who has lead-authored a real peer reviewed study and appeared to promote the material on real main stream media in Denmark.
It is highly suspicious that when someone as valuable to this campaign turns up on the scene, some people seem desperate to quickly ascoiate him with people who have shown themselves to be supporters of some of the wildest and least credible theories both in 9/11 truth and outside it.
Why couldn't the organisers have asked any number of other leading figures in US 9/11 truth to come over - there's:
Ryan, S. Jones, Hoffman, Gage, Griffin amongst many others who could have complimented someone of Harritts calibre - why on earth is Barrett the one who is invited and why should any activist in London support this muddying of the waters?

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£20 or £15 is still way over the top. Who, other than a 9/11 sceptic is gonna pay that sort of money? They are trying to fill a hall of 900 people. It's insane.
900 x 15 = £13500
This is a profit making exercise, although I fully expect them to make a loss as they will not fill a hall of 900 unless they have a serious marketing budget.
I would urge Dr Harritt to distance himself from Kevin Barrett due to his track record. Should any press come to the event there is a very strong chance Barrett will put his foot in his mouth which he has a habit of doing.
900 x 15 = £13500
This is a profit making exercise, although I fully expect them to make a loss as they will not fill a hall of 900 unless they have a serious marketing budget.
I would urge Dr Harritt to distance himself from Kevin Barrett due to his track record. Should any press come to the event there is a very strong chance Barrett will put his foot in his mouth which he has a habit of doing.
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Especially in these harsh economic times. Though I think their intentions are honourable, it seems too professional to me. It doesn't feel right.andyb wrote:£20 or £15 is still way over the top. Who, other than a 9/11 sceptic is gonna pay that sort of money? They are trying to fill a hall of 900 people. It's insane.
If their intention is to turn the movement into something professionally marketed, it will be difficult to connect to Joe Bloggs on the street (IMO).
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I've moved Activist's post to 9/11 Truth Controversies.
It's at http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=17423 .
This is because it consists of character assassination by association, and is done under the cover of anonymity.The event stinks. It has all the ingredients.
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It's at http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=17423 .
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Professionalism
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Unfortunately I have to agree with the observation that the goal of 900 people attending the Kevin Barratt event is extremely ambitious but I applaud the initiative.
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What is wrong with something being produced on a 'professional' basis? This is the kind of mindset which condemns the truth movement to be forever stuck in church halls or the back room of a pub! 'Professional' doesn't necessarily have to mean big budget ... just well produced and well presented. An end result which usually requires a team of well motivated people to combine their respective skills to achieve a desired end result.though I think their intentions are honourable, it seems too professional to me. It doesn't feel right.
Unfortunately I have to agree with the observation that the goal of 900 people attending the Kevin Barratt event is extremely ambitious but I applaud the initiative.
Ian R Crane