All this false flag terrorism?
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All this false flag terrorism?
What does it say about "democracy"? I'm beginning to think democracy is a bit like (what some say about) socialism, good in theory but unworkable in practice. If we were in a democracy the press would be asking the questions people are rightly asking on this site.
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The press did ask the questions asked on this site, a long time ago. They found the answers. The people on this site are ignoring the answers. Science isn't about ignoring the evidence that doesn't support the conclusion you want. The press doesn't need to ask questions that have been satisifactorily answered.
Furthermore, I have no idea what democracy or socialism has to do with it, that seems like a pretty bizarre red herring.
Furthermore, I have no idea what democracy or socialism has to do with it, that seems like a pretty bizarre red herring.
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Of course it was a bunch of Arabs half of whom were found alive by the same press who reported it but didn't ask the follow up question.Anti-sophist wrote:The press did ask the questions asked on this site, a long time ago. They found the answers. The people on this site are ignoring the answers. Science isn't about ignoring the evidence that doesn't support the conclusion you want. The press doesn't need to ask questions that have been satisifactorily answered.
Furthermore, I have no idea what democracy or socialism has to do with it, that seems like a pretty bizarre red herring.
How can a terrorist be both alive and dead at the same time.
Similar to your nonsensical point...
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Re: Similar to your view...
The Heisenberg uncertainty principle?conspirator wrote:
How can a terrorist be both alive and dead at the same time.
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Do you have any links to show where the mainstream BRITISH press has questioned how the three, freefall collapse WTC buildings ended up with pools of molten metal found in their basements several weeks after the initial (twin tower)fires were blown out horizontally in toxic micro particle toward New Jersey? Can you find ANYTHING about WTC7 from the British "free press"? of course you can't, don't talk rubbish.Anti-sophist wrote:The press did ask the questions asked on this site, a long time ago. They found the answers. The people on this site are ignoring the answers. Science isn't about ignoring the evidence that doesn't support the conclusion you want. The press doesn't need to ask questions that have been satisifactorily answered.
Furthermore, I have no idea what democracy or socialism has to do with it, that seems like a pretty bizarre red herring.
The point about democracy is that you can't start wars and steal other people's oil without general, majority consent, so you have to spin and lie and commit acts of false flag terror to catalyse things and blow away the stagnant hand of 'always do the right thing' democracy.
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Re: Similar to your view...
Put him in a sealed box, with no way for information to pass through its walls.aggle-rithm wrote:The Heisenberg uncertainty principle?conspirator wrote:
How can a terrorist be both alive and dead at the same time.
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You produce a gawd-awful sentence like that, then say "don't talk rubbish"?SHERITON HOTEL wrote:
Do you have any links to show where the mainstream BRITISH press has questioned how the three, freefall collapse WTC buildings ended up with pools of molten metal found in their basements several weeks after the initial (twin tower)fires were blown out horizontally in toxic micro particle toward New Jersey? Can you find ANYTHING about WTC7 from the British "free press"? of course you can't, don't talk rubbish.
Why are YOU the only one allowed to talk rubbish?
Are you saying that no democracy has ever started a war without spinning, lying, and committing acts of false flag terror?The point about democracy is that you can't start wars and steal other people's oil without general, majority consent, so you have to spin and lie and commit acts of false flag terror to catalyse things and blow away the stagnant hand of 'always do the right thing' democracy.
Do you have any support for this astonishing claim?
Or could it be that you don't understand the intricacies of politics as well as you think you do?
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I believe it was a chap on your side, a certain Mr. Richard Pearl arch neocon, who when asked why we should bomb Iraq into a democracy replied... because democracies don't start wars! That was in private Eye.aggle-rithm wrote:You produce a gawd-awful sentence like that, then say "don't talk rubbish"?SHERITON HOTEL wrote:
Do you have any links to show where the mainstream BRITISH press has questioned how the three, freefall collapse WTC buildings ended up with pools of molten metal found in their basements several weeks after the initial (twin tower)fires were blown out horizontally in toxic micro particle toward New Jersey? Can you find ANYTHING about WTC7 from the British "free press"? of course you can't, don't talk rubbish.
Why are YOU the only one allowed to talk rubbish?
Are you saying that no democracy has ever started a war without spinning, lying, and committing acts of false flag terror?The point about democracy is that you can't start wars and steal other people's oil without general, majority consent, so you have to spin and lie and commit acts of false flag terror to catalyse things and blow away the stagnant hand of 'always do the right thing' democracy.
Do you have any support for this astonishing claim?
Or could it be that you don't understand the intricacies of politics as well as you think you do?
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Which side is "my" side?SHERITON HOTEL wrote:I believe it was a chap on your side, a certain Mr. Richard Pearl arch neocon, who when asked why we should bomb Iraq into a democracy replied... because democracies don't start wars! That was in private Eye.aggle-rithm wrote:You produce a gawd-awful sentence like that, then say "don't talk rubbish"?SHERITON HOTEL wrote:
Do you have any links to show where the mainstream BRITISH press has questioned how the three, freefall collapse WTC buildings ended up with pools of molten metal found in their basements several weeks after the initial (twin tower)fires were blown out horizontally in toxic micro particle toward New Jersey? Can you find ANYTHING about WTC7 from the British "free press"? of course you can't, don't talk rubbish.
Why are YOU the only one allowed to talk rubbish?
Are you saying that no democracy has ever started a war without spinning, lying, and committing acts of false flag terror?The point about democracy is that you can't start wars and steal other people's oil without general, majority consent, so you have to spin and lie and commit acts of false flag terror to catalyse things and blow away the stagnant hand of 'always do the right thing' democracy.
Do you have any support for this astonishing claim?
Or could it be that you don't understand the intricacies of politics as well as you think you do?
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Wriggle out of that one
Of course its all been answered already. So why waste time trying to prove the answers on their behalf when they cant do it?Anti-sophist wrote:That has been debunked more times than I care to count. Again, the press doesn't ask questions that have already been answered. Ignoring the answers is why CTists are CTists.
Thanks for proving it. (hint, they are all dead, initial reports were mistaken identities)
There is no evidence any Arabs took part in anything and if by evidence we have to count more than one piece instead of a picture of people going through a transport hub.
Bush himself implied it was an inside job when he explicitly stated Al Quaeda was behind the attacks and it was no conspiracy.
One cannot have a terrorist attack which isn't a conspiracy, unless of course it was an inside job.
Wriggle out of that one if you can...
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Re: Wriggle out of that one
Passports? Registration in flight school? Airline tickets? Mohammed Atta's bags that didn't make it on the flight? A couple of guys hitting the wrong button in the cockpit and announcing the hijacking to air traffic controllers in a thick Arab accent?conspirator wrote:
There is no evidence any Arabs took part in anything and if by evidence we have to count more than one piece instead of a picture of people going through a transport hub.
There's five right there that aren't pictures of people going through a transport hub.
Can you explain this, for the benefit of people who aren't personally acquainted with the inner workings of your brain?
Bush himself implied it was an inside job when he explicitly stated Al Quaeda was behind the attacks and it was no conspiracy.
So if it wasn't a conspiracy, then it was an inside job, which is a conspiracy?One cannot have a terrorist attack which isn't a conspiracy, unless of course it was an inside job.
Depends on how you define "conspiracy". If you define conspiracy as a group of people who secretly plan something, then yes, it is a conspiracy. If you define it as a "paranoid conspiracy", which is how the word is often used, then it is by definition imaginary.Wriggle out of that one if you can...
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If your point boils down to picking apart the words Bush used and trying to read into them, then all I can do is laugh. That man has never finished two sentences without screwing up, so I have no reason to believe any single sentence he has ever said was even marginally what he meant to say.. let alone was actually correct.
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The joke is on you
But you do believe the 'official theory' if by that one means a whole web of illogicalities. So you choose what to believe from Bush's mouth.Anti-sophist wrote:If your point boils down to picking apart the words Bush used and trying to read into them, then all I can do is laugh. That man has never finished two sentences without screwing up, so I have no reason to believe any single sentence he has ever said was even marginally what he meant to say.. let alone was actually correct.
He said Arabs did 9/11 so thats fine. All I can do is laugh!
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Re: Wriggle out of that one
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19 were registered in a flight school!!Passports? Registration in flight school? Airline tickets? Mohammed Atta's bags that didn't make it on the flight? A couple of guys hitting the wrong button in the cockpit and announcing the hijacking to air traffic controllers in a thick Arab accent?
The passport was found intact AFTER the collision!!
Wheres the black boxes so we can hear it for ourselves??
Atta left a bag at a city not at the airport he was going to all in one day??
Under cross examination all your points wouldn't pass first base.
Try again.
The word conspiracy under any definition implies organised behind your back. Which part of Bush's statement dont you get?
Depends on how you define "conspiracy". If you define conspiracy as a group of people who secretly plan something, then yes, it is a conspiracy. If you define it as a "paranoid conspiracy", which is how the word is often used, then it is by definition imaginary.
He stated it clearly at the UN. 9/11 was no conspiracy. If it was it wouldn't have occurred behind his back. He is consistent in his actions on that day reading nursery continuing to read nursery rhymes and the fact that his one brother had shares in the 'security' of the twin towers.
If you choose and pick which part of Bush you agree with, ie that Arabs did it, then I will choose the other part of Bush which stated it was an inside job as it wasn't a conspiracy...
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Re: Wriggle out of that one
he heconspirator wrote:Of course its all been answered already. So why waste time trying to prove the answers on their behalf when they cant do it?Anti-sophist wrote:That has been debunked more times than I care to count. Again, the press doesn't ask questions that have already been answered. Ignoring the answers is why CTists are CTists.
Thanks for proving it. (hint, they are all dead, initial reports were mistaken identities)
There is no evidence any Arabs took part in anything and if by evidence we have to count more than one piece instead of a picture of people going through a transport hub.
Bush himself implied it was an inside job when he explicitly stated Al Quaeda was behind the attacks and it was no conspiracy.
One cannot have a terrorist attack which isn't a conspiracy, unless of course it was an inside job.
Wriggle out of that one if you can...
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True... he may have been trying to say "propensity" or "historically" and it came out "conspiracy".Anti-sophist wrote:If your point boils down to picking apart the words Bush used and trying to read into them, then all I can do is laugh. That man has never finished two sentences without screwing up, so I have no reason to believe any single sentence he has ever said was even marginally what he meant to say.. let alone was actually correct.
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It would help if I knew what you were arguing. Do you believe there were no hijackers on 9/11? Or are you saying there were different hijackers than the ones that all the evidence points to?conspirator wrote:
19 were registered in a flight school!!
The passport was found intact AFTER the collision!!
Wheres the black boxes so we can hear it for ourselves??
Atta left a bag at a city not at the airport he was going to all in one day??
Under cross examination all your points wouldn't pass first base.
Try again.
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Anti-sophist run out of arguments?
Or he said Arabs but meant Yanks.aggle-rithm wrote:
True... he may have been trying to say "propensity" or "historically" and it came out "conspiracy".
If one follows your logic of CHOOSING which part of Bush you like and which part you throw in the garbage can, then the whole issue boils down in your eyes to belief.
Belief has nothing to do with possible causes, possible outcomes and possible effect. Indeed its only aim is to justify, explain and grovel to the neo-con bullshitters.
Having a 'dumb' Bush suits the 'smart' provocation, but doesn't solve the riddles of a lack of evidence to incriminate guys in a photoshop appearance at an alleged transport hub...
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'Evidence' which doesn't even get past the first base of cross examination isn't evidence, but belief that the story circulated by the mass media of disinformation is 'real' because they allege it to be.aggle-rithm wrote:It would help if I knew what you were arguing. Do you believe there were no hijackers on 9/11? Or are you saying there were different hijackers than the ones that all the evidence points to?conspirator wrote:
19 were registered in a flight school!!
The passport was found intact AFTER the collision!!
Wheres the black boxes so we can hear it for ourselves??
Atta left a bag at a city not at the airport he was going to all in one day??
Under cross examination all your points wouldn't pass first base.
Try again.
Knowing what I'm saying would imply you had a basic rudimentary knowldege of anything beyond being a Bush lickspittle.
Were there planes on 9/11 and why don't you put in for the £1 million pound offer, make some money instead of spending taxapyers money arguing the government line.
Theres no such thing as democracy or communism, they are just words which describe ideals which dont exist. What we have is some corrupt Top knobs at the top making decisions. It doesn´t matter where you live these are the leaders you have. The dirt always manages to crawl to the top of the pile.
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Very simple;How can a terrorist be both alive and dead at the same time.
The identities were stolen. I find it strange that people still ask such questions. I am not stating however that is what happened, I am merely answering the 'how'.
The identity is stolen, the person then carries out whatever and the wrong person is implicated.
I completely challenge the official version of events - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC -I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC - I AM NOT A 9/11 TRUTH CRITIC
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So, are you refusing to answer my questions? I am merely trying to ascertain what your argument is, because it is difficult to tell based on what you have said.conspirator wrote:'Evidence' which doesn't even get past the first base of cross examination isn't evidence, but belief that the story circulated by the mass media of disinformation is 'real' because they allege it to be.aggle-rithm wrote:
It would help if I knew what you were arguing. Do you believe there were no hijackers on 9/11? Or are you saying there were different hijackers than the ones that all the evidence points to?
Knowing what I'm saying would imply you had a basic rudimentary knowldege of anything beyond being a Bush lickspittle.
Were there planes on 9/11 and why don't you put in for the £1 million pound offer, make some money instead of spending taxapyers money arguing the government line.
And, it's not because I have less than "a basic rudimentary knowledge of anything beyond being a Bush lickspittle". It's because you have failed to make yourself clear.
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A refusal to a point made would indeed be a refusal.aggle-rithm wrote:[
So, are you refusing to answer my questions? I am merely trying to ascertain what your argument is, because it is difficult to tell based on what you have said.
And, it's not because I have less than "a basic rudimentary knowledge of anything beyond being a Bush lickspittle". It's because you have failed to make yourself clear.
But if no point was made then there can be no refusal.
The £1 million is still on offer though. It seems you have enough and dont seek it. I wonder why?
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I have no idea what you're talking about. Could you elaborate?conspirator wrote:
A refusal to a point made would indeed be a refusal.
But if no point was made then there can be no refusal.
The £1 million is still on offer though. It seems you have enough and dont seek it. I wonder why?
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Answer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_W._Walter
He offers a reward if you can find or spot the plane which hit the Pentagon.
Instead of paying taxpayers money wasting yout time on this site arguing the neo-con line, go to his web site see if you can find the plane and hey presto you might get $1million.
He offers a reward if you can find or spot the plane which hit the Pentagon.
Instead of paying taxpayers money wasting yout time on this site arguing the neo-con line, go to his web site see if you can find the plane and hey presto you might get $1million.
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I looked over his challenge. He said that every detail of the challenge must be addressed, otherwise the whole argument falls apart. Take a look at detail #10:conspirator wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_W._Walter
He offers a reward if you can find or spot the plane which hit the Pentagon.
Instead of paying taxpayers money wasting yout time on this site arguing the neo-con line, go to his web site see if you can find the plane and hey presto you might get $1million.
Aside from the fact that it is extremely amateurish of him to preach the "Gospel of Troof" while outlining the challenge rules, notice that it is a requirement that the challenger explain how something that DIDN'T HAPPEN, happened. That right there would prevent anyone from winning.10) In the this video the fireman describes how was EVERYTHING reduced to dust, everything. Not even standard controlled demolitions do that as building 7 showed. No building collapse has ever done that. Explain and document.
Also, winning relies on the judgement of a panel that both parties agree on. Any chance that both parties would agree on a panel that wouldn't guarantee this delusional idiot will hang onto his million pesos?
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aggle-rithm wrote:I looked over his challenge. He said that every detail of the challenge must be addressed, otherwise the whole argument falls apart. Take a look at detail #10:conspirator wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_W._Walter
He offers a reward if you can find or spot the plane which hit the Pentagon.
Instead of paying taxpayers money wasting yout time on this site arguing the neo-con line, go to his web site see if you can find the plane and hey presto you might get $1million.
Aside from the fact that it is extremely amateurish of him to preach the "Gospel of Troof" while outlining the challenge rules, notice that it is a requirement that the challenger explain how something that DIDN'T HAPPEN, happened. That right there would prevent anyone from winning.10) In the this video the fireman describes how was EVERYTHING reduced to dust, everything. Not even standard controlled demolitions do that as building 7 showed. No building collapse has ever done that. Explain and document.
Also, winning relies on the judgement of a panel that both parties agree on. Any chance that both parties would agree on a panel that wouldn't guarantee this delusional idiot will hang onto his million pesos?
Although your conspiracy theories rely on the principle that one must accept illogicality. Why then can one not create a quiz following that same logic? You seem to judge people from standards you do not wish to make about your judgements.
Spending more time and effort trying to win the prize instead of 'explaining' how 9/11 wasn't an Inside Job may be a more productive way to spend time. Otherwise you are wasting everybodys time including your own unless of course you are paid to defend 9/11...