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hacker testifies to vote rigging!

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http://www.hack247.co.uk/2006/11/02/ame ... testifies/
American computer programmer Clinton Eugene Curtis is seen in this video testifying under oath in front of the U.S. House Judiciary Members in Ohio.

He tells the members how he was hired by Congressman Tom Feeney in 2000 to build a prototype software package that would secretly rig an election to sway the result 51 / 49 to a specified side.

He explains that it would be undetectable and only takes 100 lines of code to implement, watch it and then think about where your vote is really going :)
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Graham wrote:http://www.hack247.co.uk/2006/11/02/ame ... testifies/
American computer programmer Clinton Eugene Curtis is seen in this video testifying under oath in front of the U.S. House Judiciary Members in Ohio.

He tells the members how he was hired by Congressman Tom Feeney in 2000 to build a prototype software package that would secretly rig an election to sway the result 51 / 49 to a specified side.

He explains that it would be undetectable and only takes 100 lines of code to implement, watch it and then think about where your vote is really going :)
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It's worth taking a closer look at some of Feeney's activities:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=2449

He's also in the Top 20 of CREW's
(Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington) Most Corrupt list.
http://www.citizensforethics.org/activi ... p?view=150

Top of last year's list ('Duke' Cunningham), is now serving 8 years for corruption.
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This is sensational news but will it make most Americans question their election results?

At least it's a great bit of proof that it really does happen - whip it out to back up any argument with someone who just can't bring themselves to believe it really happens.

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suspecta wrote:This is sensational news but will it make most Americans question their election results?

At least it's a great bit of proof that it really does happen - whip it out to back up any argument with someone who just can't bring themselves to believe it really happens.

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Black Box Voting is actively working on that :)
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

And there was an HBO documentary "Hacking Democracy" aired last night.
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I've just found something quite disturbing. I put the name Clinton Eugene Curtis into Google and this cane up:

Clinton Curtis - Demopedia (which is actually the Democratic Underground)
Recently there have been several accusations against this corporation by Clinton Eugene Curtis. All of the allegations are 100% FALSE! ...
demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Clinton_Curtis - 14k - Cached - Similar pages


If you look at the linked website, the words 'All the allegations are false!' come up low down on the page in a 2-line passage quoted from 'yangenterprises.com'

Recently there have been several accusations against this corporation by Clinton Eugene Curtis. All of the allegations are 100% FALSE!! An official statement will be forthcoming. Thank you for your concern and God Bless America.

So why, when I just typed the name Clinton Eugene Curtis into Google did the yang enterprises passage come up on the Google page?

It means that when you type the Curtis' name into Google you see the 'all the allegations are false!' passage without even having to load up the page.

Yang Enterprises were the firm that hired Curtis when all this happened.

I guess somebody from Yang must have rigged something here with the help, inadvertant or otherwise, of Google.

It's also revealing that there is no mainstream news coverage of this story. You can only despair how uninformed the US public must be if they don't look at non-mainstream internet news sources.

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suspecta wrote:I've just found something quite disturbing. I put the name Clinton Eugene Curtis into Google and this cane up:

Clinton Curtis - Demopedia (which is actually the Democratic Underground)
Recently there have been several accusations against this corporation by Clinton Eugene Curtis. All of the allegations are 100% FALSE! ...
demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Clinton_Curtis - 14k - Cached - Similar pages


If you look at the linked website, the words 'All the allegations are false!' come up low down on the page in a 2-line passage quoted from 'yangenterprises.com'

Recently there have been several accusations against this corporation by Clinton Eugene Curtis. All of the allegations are 100% FALSE!! An official statement will be forthcoming. Thank you for your concern and God Bless America.

So why, when I just typed the name Clinton Eugene Curtis into Google did the yang enterprises passage come up on the Google page?

It means that when you type the Curtis' name into Google you see the 'all the allegations are false!' passage without even having to load up the page.

Yang Enterprises were the firm that hired Curtis when all this happened.

I guess somebody from Yang must have rigged something here with the help, inadvertant or otherwise, of Google.

It's also revealing that there is no mainstream news coverage of this story. You can only despair how uninformed the US public must be if they don't look at non-mainstream internet news sources.

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Powerful interests at work indeed. Probably the same interests that arranged for another Yang employee to get off with selling anti-tank missile processor chips to China with a $100 fine.

"YEI employed Hai Lin "Henry" Nee, a Chinese national, to work on a NASA contract. This included large NASA databases that were downloaded by the owner of the company and passed to Nee. Nee has since pled guilty to violating export regulations and received a $100 fine and a 3 year probation after admitting that he sent missile guidance chips to Beijing over 20 times without the proper export licenses"
http://prorev.com/2006/10/youtube-video ... lleged.htm

Where's the MSM on this story?

Plus Curtis is running against Feeney for Congress himself now.
http://www.clintcurtis.com/

Good luck to him, he'll need it.
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The Globalization of Electronic Election Theft

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The Globalization of Electronic Election Theft

http://www.freepress.org/departments/di ... /2007/2585

By Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman
The Free Press
Friday 11 May 2007

From Ohio and California to Scotland and France, the disputes surrounding electronic voting machines have gone truly global.

E-voting machines have already been extensively studied and condemned by a wide range of expert committees, commissions and colleges, including the General Accountability Office, the Carter-Baker Commission, Johns Hopkins University, Princeton University, Stanford University and others. Rigging of a recount in Cleveland has resulted in two felony convictions. The failures of e-voting machines have been the subject of numerous documentary films, including the aptly titled HBO special "Hacking Democracy."

Now the secretaries of state in Ohio and California are subjecting e-voting to still more official review. Ohio's Jennifer Brunner has announced she'll seek bids to conduct independent studies of both touch-screen machines, which record votes electronically, and optical scanners, which tabulate paper ballots electronically.

Brunner has already removed the entire board of elections of Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) in part because of a major fiasco caused by new electronic machines in the state's 2006 primary election. Voting rights activists vehemently opposed the $20 million purchase, but it was rammed through by Board Chair Robert Bennett and Executive Director Michael Vu.

The machines then caused long reporting delays. Vu resigned under pressure from the board. Bennett then resigned - along with the rest of the board - under pressure from Brunner. Bennett chairs the Ohio Republican Party, works closely with White House advisor Karl Rove, and was instrumental in delivering Ohio's decisive votes to George W. Bush in the 2004 presidential election. Two felony convictions have so far arisen from what prosecutors call a "rigged" recount that occurred that year in Cleveland, under Bennett's supervision.

The specifics of Brunner's investigation, which she wants done by September, are not yet public. But the newly elected Democrat says she intends to "fill in the gaps" on studies of Diebold, ES&S and Hart InterCivic machines whose vote tallies were key to giving Bush a second term. The conservative Columbus Dispatch has already predicted that the results of the investigation "likely will disappoint conspiracy theorists."

California's new Secretary of State Deborah Bowen will begin her study May 14, and wants it done by late July. An interagency agreement with the University of California will use three "top-to-bottom review teams" with about seven people each to inspect documents, previous studies, computer source code and a penetration attack to test system security. Cost is estimated at $1.8 million to be covered by system vendors and the Help America Vote Act. Systems from Diebold, ES&S, HartIntercivic, Sequoia and InkaVote of Los Angeles will be examined.

Other states are also re-evaluating their electronic voting systems, and fierce controversy is raging nationwide over a federal bill from Representative Rush Holt (D-NJ) which institutes certain voting reforms but allows the use of electronic machines to continue.

Now the issue has spread worldwide. Widespread cries of theft and fraud erupted in Ukraine, just before the US 2004 election. A forced re-vote ousted the "official" winner.

In Mexico, leftists contend the recent presidential election there was stolen just as Bush did it in the US, with some of the same personnel pulling it off.

Now similar cries are coming from Scotland and France. May 3 elections in Scotland using new electronic counting systems resulted in as many as 100,000 votes being classed as "spoilt papers." (About 90,000 such ballots from Ohio 2004 remain uncounted to this day).

Complex methods of tabulating and weighting the Scottish votes yielded "chaos." Several vote counts were suspended. In some races the tally of rejected ballots was greater than some candidates' winning margin. "This is a temporary interruption to one small aspect of the overall process," says a spokeswoman for DRS, the company responsible for the vote counting technology.

The language in France has not been so polite. A watershed presidential election has just been won by Nicolas Sarkozy, a blunt right-wing Reagan-Bush- style extremist over the socialist Segolene Royal. Sarkozy is a hard-edged authoritarian whose intense anti-immigrant rhetoric matches his support for the American war in Iraq and his avowed intent to slash France's social service system, including a public health program widely considered among the best in the world.

Like the balloting in Ukraine, the US, Scotland and Mexico, Sarkozy's victory was marred by angry, widespread complaints about dubious vote counts whose discrepancies always seem to favor the rightist candidate. Throughout France, the cry has arisen that the conservatives have done to Segolene Royal what Bush/Rove did to John Kerry.

In the not-so-distant past, other elections were engineered by George H.W. Bush, head of the Central Intelligence Agency and father of the current White House resident. During the Reagan-Bush presidencies, in the Philippines, Nicaragua, El Salvador and other key third world nations, expected leftist triumphs somehow morphed into rightist coups. "CIA destabilizations are nothing new," said former CIA station chief and Medal of Merit winner John Stockwell in 1987. "Guatemala in 1954, Brazil, Ghana, Chile, the Congo, Iran, Panama, Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador, Uruguay - the CIA organized the overthrow of constitutional democracy."

The recent trend to privatizing vote counts, with corporations claiming "proprietary rights" to keep their hardware and software covert, has added a new dimension to an old tradition. The recent "e-victories" in the US and France have significantly tipped to the right the global balance among the major powers. So while Ohio and California conduct their studies of electronic voting, the whole world will be watching.


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Bob Fitrakis's forthcoming book, "The Fitrakis Files: Cops, Coverups and Corruption," is at http://www.freepress.org/, where this article first appeared. Harvey Wasserman's "Solartopia! Our Green-Powered Earth, A.D. 2030," is at http://www.solartopia.org/.
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There really is no doubt about it that democracy is as fragile as a piece of paper, but we dare not give up that piece of paper.
The results if we do are all too predictable.

I'd also suggest the slogan 'An Electronic Vote is No Vote'

I have never supported capital punishment and find it morally repugnant, but I do think that systematic vote fraud should join high treason as one of the remaining offences that penalty still apples to.
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PayPal sabotages New Hampshire vote recount

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Confirmed: PayPal sabotages New Hampshire vote recount

By JimInNY | January 16, 2008

I received the following in an email from an AFTF coordinator in CA:

Hello Volunteers!

On our California Conference Call earlier this evening, I mentioned that I had been informed that the Granny Warriors’ PayPal account had been frozen at the last minute by PayPal and the freeze prevented the transfer of the fee for the New Hampshire vote recount. I promised to verify this information and I have now done so.

I am informed directly by the Granny Warriors that PayPal did in fact freeze the funds earmarked for the Recount Fees! So, now you know who to blame for the failure to get a recount of the New Hampshire vote count. PayPal.
The application for a recount of the New Hampshire vote required a deposit of
$55,600 to the New Hampshire Secretary of State no later than 3:00 P.M. this afternoon, January 15th. A huge and successful effort by the Granny Warriors raised the money and they ordered the transfer to the Secretary. However, at the very last moment, PayPal FROZE THE ACCOUNT and did not transfer the money. The deadline for payment of the deposit passed and the recount application was rejected for lack of
payment.

Emergency efforts by our folks on the scene in New Hampshire to push the recount through the Secretary’s office were not successful and a lot of frustration has been expressed on both sides as a result. The problem was not with the Secretary of State for New Hampshire, it was with PayPal. I understand that the matter may remain unresolved and a recount may still be possible. I am hoping for additional information early Wednesday, January 16th.

I am sure that PayPal will have a lot of excuses, but lame excuses are not
acceptable under these circumstances.

Here is the PayPal contact URL:
https://investor.shareholder.com/paypal/contactus.cfm

Thank you to the Granny Warriors and to the others on the ground in New Hampshire who went beyond the call of duty for the recount and a big BOO to PayPal. We should remember who our friends are. And we should also remember which companies, organizations and people act to oppose our fight for Liberty and Self-Determination.
I will pass along more information as it becomes available.

(https://investor.shareholder.com/paypal/contactus.cfm)
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that really sucks! :x

however, one problem with recounts is that they tend to be carried out by the same people who have failed to count the votes properly in the first place. the ohio election workers who were jailed for vote-rigging in the 2004 presidential election were actually caught fixing the recount rather than the initial count....

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4266
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Theres a thread here about this too, with a lot more info coming to light

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17940

Just another peice of the big picture
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Hilary is making history - with a little help from her friends. If she's anything like Thatcher, Britain's first woman CEO, America's in for a rough ride.

It strikes me that the US is going into the phase that we in Britain went into in 1997 - manipulate the nation into the hands of a thoroughly infiltrated and compromised pseudo-left.

Meanwhile David Cameron has still not said a word about his NeoCon fascist Orange Order think tank, Policy Exchange.
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I know that PayPal have a reputation for doing this sort of thing, but I have no idea whether the motivation could be criminal, political, or whatever. So I asked a colleague who follows this sort of thing more closely than I do. He wrote:
This is the kind of thing PayPal do all the time, to all sorts of people, who intend to use the money for all sorts of things. This isn't even close to evidence that PayPal are politically motivated. It's just a minor reminder of their attitude towards their customers and their money. It's like saying Pooh-bear is politically motivated because he ate a jar of honey that he was supposed to be keeping safe for an opposition politician.

Many people have pointed this out on the forum page that the thread links to.

(although the people who said things like "This doesn't sound like the sort of thing that PayPal do because I use them and they've never done it to me" are really annoying)

The people who got burned should have realised that PayPal were likely to do this, and withdrawn the money regularly into a bank account. They got burned because they trusted a company known to be untrustworthy with a large amount of money. It's no surprise, and they should have known better.
That leaves various options. PayPal may have just been extremely stupid in pulling the plug on such a high-profile account, not realising the damage it could do them in negative publicity. Or they could have selected this account because of political implications. Or someone may have chosen PayPal knowing that they were likely to pull the plug when there was an attempt to withdraw a significant percentage of the amount in the account.

I don't think we can conclude much in this case, but it does make you wonder how anyone can get away with this sort of thing for such a long time without someone in authority taking some steps to control it.

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it looks like the re-count is going ahead....

"NH Contest Update: Kucinich Pays, Count to Begin; Republican Howard's Funds Bottlenecked at Bank Now Delivered to, Accepted by NH SoS!"

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5563
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Ditched Paypal 3 years ago and insisted they remove all my details - still awaiting the outcome of an FOI request to them... Not a pleasant company - beats me why people put up with this 'convenience'.

If you must shop online why not ask your vendors to support WorldPay (Bank of Scotland based) as well?

Recount? Ron Paul sure made the right decision to keep out of it, IMO.

This whole voter mess 'should' have been sorted out post-Ohio at the latest. It's almost as if they want to be enslaved...
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IanFantom wrote:I know that PayPal have a reputation for doing this sort of thing, but I have no idea whether the motivation could be criminal, political, or whatever. So I asked a colleague who follows this sort of thing more closely than I do. He wrote:
This is the kind of thing PayPal do all the time, to all sorts of people, who intend to use the money for all sorts of things. This isn't even close to evidence that PayPal are politically motivated. It's just a minor reminder of their attitude towards their customers and their money. It's like saying Pooh-bear is politically motivated because he ate a jar of honey that he was supposed to be keeping safe for an opposition politician.

Many people have pointed this out on the forum page that the thread links to.

(although the people who said things like "This doesn't sound like the sort of thing that PayPal do because I use them and they've never done it to me" are really annoying)

The people who got burned should have realised that PayPal were likely to do this, and withdrawn the money regularly into a bank account. They got burned because they trusted a company known to be untrustworthy with a large amount of money. It's no surprise, and they should have known better.
That leaves various options. PayPal may have just been extremely stupid in pulling the plug on such a high-profile account, not realising the damage it could do them in negative publicity. Or they could have selected this account because of political implications. Or someone may have chosen PayPal knowing that they were likely to pull the plug when there was an attempt to withdraw a significant percentage of the amount in the account.

I don't think we can conclude much in this case, but it does make you wonder how anyone can get away with this sort of thing for such a long time without someone in authority taking some steps to control it.

Regards, Ian.
I agree that we cannot draw firm conclusions unless we choose to in this instance

However, it is at the least, an interesting peice of co-incidence theory!

And I am stumped as to what rational reason paypal could have for suddenly freezing an account with funds in it
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TonyGosling wrote:Hilary is making history - with a little help from her friends. If she's anything like Thatcher, Britain's first woman CEO, America's in for a rough ride.

It strikes me that the US is going into the phase that we in Britain went into in 1997 - manipulate the nation into the hands of a thoroughly infiltrated and compromised pseudo-left.

Meanwhile David Cameron has still not said a word about his NeoCon fascist Orange Order think tank, Policy Exchange.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4YZ5l3ACUo
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gruts wrote:it looks like the re-count is going ahead....

"NH Contest Update: Kucinich Pays, Count to Begin; Republican Howard's Funds Bottlenecked at Bank Now Delivered to, Accepted by NH SoS!"

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5563
There is a good video of Kucinich on Brasscheck:-
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/260.html
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I am informed directly by the Granny Warriors that PayPal did in fact freeze the funds earmarked for the Recount Fees! So, now you know who to blame for the failure to get a recount of the New Hampshire vote count. PayPal. The application for a recount of the New Hampshire vote required a deposit of $55,600 to the New Hampshire Secretary of State no later than 3:00 P.M. this afternoon, January 15th. A huge and successful effort by the Granny Warriors raised the money and they ordered the transfer to the Secretary. However, at the very last moment, PayPal FROZE THE ACCOUNT and did not transfer the money. The deadline for payment of the deposit passed and the recount application was rejected for lack of payment....
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So this Paypal fraud was to ensure an insider got to call the recount? Is Kusinich's record unimpeachable? 'Scuse the pun ;-)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9omu9sUF2_A[/youtube]
NH Recount Finds Vote Count Errors

By Steven Rosenfeld, AlterNet. Posted January 17, 2008.

So far the errors highlight problems with electronic voting, but don't overturn Clinton's surprise victory.

Election integrity activists in New Hampshire are finding all kinds of problems with the electronic vote count in last week's presidential primary, after a first day of recounting the Democratic vote. But the problems so far have not changed the outcome of the race that Hillary Clinton won.

According to an extensive report by Brad Friedman, editor and publisher of the BradBlog, which tracks the election integrity community, there have been numerous errors -- small and large -- that the recount, a process where paper ballots that were originally scanned by computer are now counted by hand, has turned up.

These include: electronic tallies that were off by several votes, paper ballots the were not read by electronic scanners (550 in one town), ballots that were not read because the voters used the wrong kind of marking pen. He also reported that some election records are missing, notably computer memory cards.

Election integrity activists from across the country have converged in New Hampshire for the recount, seeing it as an opportunity to showcase the shortcomings of electronic voting systems -- and possibly explain Hillary Clinton's surprise victory in the New Hampshire primary. They were drawn to New Hampshire after noticing that Barack Obama won in precincts counted by hand while Hillary Clinton won in the computer-tallied precincts.

Dennis Kucinich's presidential campaign requested and paid for the recount.

The activists have said that New Hampshire election officials, who used a Diebold optical scan system in 80 percent of the state -- where hand-marked paper ballots are scanned by computer to be counted -- should have audited the machine tallies on Election Night. While some New Hampshire precincts did that, it was not a widespread effort required by state officials.

Curiously, the activists' work may help build a case for a new bill to be introduced in the House today by Rep. Rush Holt, D-NJ, that would provide $600 million for election officials to replace paperless electronic voting machines with the same kind of optical scan system used in New Hampshire, but only if those jurisdictions conduct mandatory audits of the vote totals -- which is what New Hampshire is doing now.

Ironically, in New Hampshire the problems of electronic voting can be seen and tracked because there is a paper audit trail. In the upcoming South Carolina primary, where the state uses paperless electronic voting systems, there will be no independent audit trail to verify the vote.
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TonyGosling wrote:So this Paypal fraud was to ensure an insider got to call the recount? Is Kusinich's record unimpeachable? 'Scuse the pun ;-)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9omu9sUF2_A[/youtube]
NH Recount Finds Vote Count Errors

By Steven Rosenfeld, AlterNet. Posted January 17, 2008.

So far the errors highlight problems with electronic voting, but don't overturn Clinton's surprise victory.

Election integrity activists in New Hampshire are finding all kinds of problems with the electronic vote count in last week's presidential primary, after a first day of recounting the Democratic vote. But the problems so far have not changed the outcome of the race that Hillary Clinton won.

According to an extensive report by Brad Friedman, editor and publisher of the BradBlog, which tracks the election integrity community, there have been numerous errors -- small and large -- that the recount, a process where paper ballots that were originally scanned by computer are now counted by hand, has turned up.

These include: electronic tallies that were off by several votes, paper ballots the were not read by electronic scanners (550 in one town), ballots that were not read because the voters used the wrong kind of marking pen. He also reported that some election records are missing, notably computer memory cards.

Election integrity activists from across the country have converged in New Hampshire for the recount, seeing it as an opportunity to showcase the shortcomings of electronic voting systems -- and possibly explain Hillary Clinton's surprise victory in the New Hampshire primary. They were drawn to New Hampshire after noticing that Barack Obama won in precincts counted by hand while Hillary Clinton won in the computer-tallied precincts.

Dennis Kucinich's presidential campaign requested and paid for the recount.

The activists have said that New Hampshire election officials, who used a Diebold optical scan system in 80 percent of the state -- where hand-marked paper ballots are scanned by computer to be counted -- should have audited the machine tallies on Election Night. While some New Hampshire precincts did that, it was not a widespread effort required by state officials.

Curiously, the activists' work may help build a case for a new bill to be introduced in the House today by Rep. Rush Holt, D-NJ, that would provide $600 million for election officials to replace paperless electronic voting machines with the same kind of optical scan system used in New Hampshire, but only if those jurisdictions conduct mandatory audits of the vote totals -- which is what New Hampshire is doing now.

Ironically, in New Hampshire the problems of electronic voting can be seen and tracked because there is a paper audit trail. In the upcoming South Carolina primary, where the state uses paperless electronic voting systems, there will be no independent audit trail to verify the vote.
Since when has Kucinich been an 'Insider'? Check Guardian story in my post above; what leads you to question Kucinich's integrity?; and have you checked the 'Granny Warriors' site, to see what they've been saying (I didn't watch it all; I went to a couple of their 'campaign stops', and the 'Camp Casey' one says it all (all I needed, anyhow); but I did also check some of the allied sites, and they're even worse.
I will send Ron Paul this:

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I suggest you check this link, it's a dilly!!!!
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Just raising the possibility - I'm no Ron Paul devotee - I'm suspicious of all candidates Outsider.
outsider wrote: Since when has Kucinich been an 'Insider'? Check Guardian story in my post above; what leads you to question Kucinich's integrity?
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TonyGosling wrote:Just raising the possibility - I'm no Ron Paul devotee - I'm suspicious of all candidates Outsider.
outsider wrote: Since when has Kucinich been an 'Insider'? Check Guardian story in my post above; what leads you to question Kucinich's integrity?
Have a look at Kucinich's videos - (above) - he's great!!
But one thing I'll say about Ron Paul's campaign - they're certainly on the ball!!!! I'd no sooner emailed him with that web link, than I went back to my emails, and holy macaroni!! they had answered it, and in a manner that showed they had checked the site!!
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I sent this email to Black Box Voting

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/contact.html

The greatest injustice is being done not to Ron Paul but to those voting for him because they believe, rightly or wrongly, that he is America's last hope. I think it would be viable to test a sample of precints collecting numbers and signatures as proof of who actually voted. No Ron Paul voter would be other than proud to put their name to their candidate.

I think if this was done an amazing discrepancy might be revealed, of such a magnitude that it may generate a tide of indignation strong enough to overcome the blatant obfuscation by the mainstream press and government agencies on this issue. In short, it may spark the revolution Ron Paul's campaign talks about. Perhaps one that will sweep Mr Paul along with it. Indeed, if the vote fraud becomes widely appreciated for what it is, the tool of a dictatorship, perhaps you, the people, will arise and overthrow it. And not rely on one elderly man to do it for you.

In Communist societies it is not who votes that counts in determining election results. It is who counts the votes.

Stalin said that.

Stalin's proteges are all over America now.

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Whatever his motives or abilities it's hard to argue, in principle, with this from Ron Paul, IMO...
Honest money, after all, is a political objective; it is fitting that people should demand honesty from their government, as well as an economic policy that permits individuals to compete honestly.
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A Philadelphia Inquirer article on Kucinich:

http://www.alternet.org/stories/74268/

(I edited my post above on Ron Paul, as I was far too harsh on him)
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Hacking Democracy - the movie - well made documentary - how does America count its votes????

"If.... when people see what's really going on there's no way we will allow this to continue"

[GVideo]http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 6669054201[/GVideo]
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bev harris is a star....

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Briefing on the intense Election Integrity struggle inthe US

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To mark the occasion of the British premiere of Emmy Award-wining docudrama

Recount


(Friday at 9.00 on More4, in the lead up to the Vice-Presidential Debate between Biden and Palin, also on More4) ---

http://www.hbo.com/films/recount/; http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1000771/ .......


UK-based Campaign for Visible Ballots are offering this


Press Release and US Election Integrity Briefing


[Please read or forward as appropriate]



Recount tells an exciting Hollywood style tale but unfortunately it has many faults and crucial omissions - including the story ran by the Dan Rather show http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4960 of the 7 workers at the Florida printing company who belatedly came forward to testify that their bosses had deliberately supplied key Counties with misalligned ballots printed on sub-standard paper - thus bound to cause the 'hanging chad' 'fiasco' in poorer districts which itself swung the election (as it transpired) and would be used to distract from voter-suppression and computer-fraud issues before serving as the perfect pretext for pushing through legislation mandating election 'modernisation' , i.e. tamper-friendly uncheckable corporate computers!



(A much better film about the Florida coup is Unprecedented, which deals well with the massive purge of likely Democrat-voting Afro-Americans from the Florida voter rolls: http://www.unprecedented.org/Unpreceden ... tPage.html.)



But at least Recount shows the Enron-sponsored Republican riot (itself a federal conspiracy) http://www.consortiumnews.com:80/2002/080502a.html

which intimidated local election officials into putting a vital recount on hold, pending drawn out litigation.



Contrast this real drama and its dozens of important sub-plots (yes plots) with the vacuous 'coverage' supplied by TV reporters who just stood against Florida or Washington skylines regurgitating press handouts from the Party HQs! Very few of the real underlying struggles and deceptions were actually dealt with! (One plea of mitigation could be made by reference to how many Democrat leaders also seem to tamely accept election theft. But votes and elections belong to the people, not to Party leaders like Gore, Kerry and ?Obama).



Along with Greg Palast (very occasionally in the Guardian), Andrew Gumbel, U.S. correspondent for the Independent and author of Steal This Vote, is one of the only awake voices challenging the current ritual soporifics of ‘US election reports’. Years ago he said this about the 2000 election:


So there were all these situations which, had they happened in some other emerging country from the former Soviet Union, the U.S. probably would have been front and center in denouncing these things as evidence of corruption, and suddenly it's happening in the world's most powerful country.

Instead of real media coverage, complaints and questions about what happened were pooh-poohed, and concerned citizens were marginalized. …

The 2000 election illustrated that there was a real problem. The patient was sick; American democracy was not in a good way. The doctors came along and they really made the wrong diagnosis. They said the problem is the machines; if we have better machines everything will be fine. So there was an almighty rush to believe that computers were the solution.


The subsequent passage of the Help America Vote Act of 2002 led to the spending of almost 4 billion federal tax dollars on these computerized voting machines. Gumbel elaborates,


One of the insidious things about touch screen voting machines is that if there is foul play it can, at least in theory, be perpetrated invisibly. You can cover your tracks completely. With these machines you can alter the outcome of a national election undetectably in a way that is just unprecedented in terms of its reach and the power to really play around. For those reasons we should be much more careful of these machines than we've ever been in the past. And the evidence is actually we're being less careful [emphasis added].


The disappointing naivety of mainstream media has been echoed by sustained denial from our broadly Atlantacist political class and by academics terrified of being tarred and feathered as ‘conspiracy theorists’ – this despite the clearest possible evidence of electronically-enhanced and other forms of electoral theft:



· in Georgia in 2002:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne ... go_off.htm



· in the 2004 Presidential election: http://www.witnesstoacrime.com/ - or watch this definitive presentation by statistician Prof Steven Freeman:: http://www.hotpotatomash.com/2007/10/vi ... usi-1.html



· in preventing a Democrat landslide in 2006: http://www.electiondefensealliance.org: ... count_2006

http://www.unobserver.com/layout5.php?id=2772&blz=1

· and again in pro-Clinton and anti-Ron Paul manipulations in this years Primaries:
http://www.electiondefensealliance.org/ ... nipulation



Campaign for Visible Ballots is offering this briefing to encourage UK editors, journalists, politicians and academics to muster more critical gumption than in past years, since we believe that unless the truth can be told about actually existing e-elections in the world’s most influential country, it will just be a matter of time before pressure from private corporations and/or spook agencies foist electronic elections on the UK – as already used with no effective recounts in Scotland and London. (The good news is that the tide may be turning: Being rather less tied in with the USA, Ireland and the Netherlands have decided to ditch e-counting, as an increasing number of US jurisdictions are now inclined to, albeit not yet at Federal level.)



So ….



for those UK Media Editors, Investigative reporters and Commentariat who are up to the challenge –



· Will you devote staff time and resources to getting up to speed on the real popular struggle underlying the official contest this Novemeber?

· When citizen resistance flares across several key states and is met by bland official denials, scoffing about ‘poor losers’ hooked on ‘conspiracy theories’, will you dig deeper, will you ring around the highly professional election integrity movement for a balanced assessment?

· Will you allocate or fight for the screen-time and column inches that such a struggle for the soul of democracy deserves?
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Here gratis and for nothing are some of the big lead-up and underlying stories of the 2008 election! (such modesty):



· Obama could be 10, 15 or more points ahead in (genuine) opinion polls and still lose on the day (Kerry won by 6 million, yet ‘lost’ by 3 million, i.e. 9 million votes were swung on the machines alone – as proven by statistician Prof Steven Freeman and Joel Bleifuss, http://www.electionintegrity.org/book.shtml.)



· Far-right Christian cohorts – such as Palin’s ‘Dominionists’ - are deployed by the pro-Republican election companies and corrupt local bureaucracies not just to loyally fiddle what needs to be fiddled on the day, but also in pre-election vote-suppression scams, e.g through purges of the now mandatory electronic registered voter rolls under ‘exact match’ and other anti-democratic protocols (pretexts). (Mark Crispin Miller’s book, ‘Fooled Again’ is very good on the 'Christian' dimension, as is Greg Palast on the modernization of Jim Crow voter-suppression techniques which weigh most heavily on black people).



· Former McCain Insider and World Class Cybersleuth Stephen Spoonamore has come out swinging against electronic voting per se and is prepared to testify against Karl Rove, his computer whizz Michael Connell and Diebold in the Ohio Cybergate lawsuit being conducted by Velvet Revolution. http://www.velvetrevolution.us/prosecut ... n_Full.wmv

(" There is no system, electronic in the world that cannot be hacked. I’ve spent my entire life building or hacking electronic systems. There are entire companies dedicated to “ethical hacking” if you want to call it that. There is no system in the world, none, that cannot be hacked. If you give me the team of my choice of 8 people, in 1 week I will get any piece of data you want in the world. End of discussion. “

Then at the end he brings it back to the human issue of DENIAL - which also afflicts many worthy members of UK political parties and the Electoral reform Society in my opinion:

" Interviewer - Is it a republican issue? If what you say is true, who wants to steal the elections?

Spoonamore - I certainly know that in old statistical information it seems that in every single bizarre circumstance where exit data, where polling data, informational data swings, it has all been in favor of republicans, but not the sort of republicans that I want to see in office at all. These are people who lie and people who cheat. That is not the conservative way. Conservatives conserve things. We are respectful and we are constitutionally based. You know what the real problem is? People do not want to believe that people want to steal elections in this country." ]



· Since 2000 a dynamic and well-informed citizen movement has emerged and is now coming of age: with Black Box Voting and hundreds of other election integrity groups, the Election Defense Alliance is mobilising and training many thousands of volunteers across America to conduct professionally designed reliable exit polls, with a view to limiting the (massive and proven) potential for electronic election theft and corporate rigging of the official exit polls.

http://www.electiondefensealliance.org/







Further resources:

To keep up to date, please consider subscribing to the following: Media updates from here: http://www.electionintegrity.org/media/



Newsfeeds from here: http://www.electiondefensealliance.org/ ... s_newsfeed



Daily Voting News updates from across the US here: http://www.OPEdnews.com



http://www.electiondefensealliance.org/ ... nizations has links to a huge datebase of local State election laws, voting arrangements and listing the large number of well-organised election integrity organisations which have proliferated across the US, especially in highly contested swing states such as Ohio and New Mexico, where exit polls showed Kerry winning but which unverifiable corporagte election technology assigned to Bush.



Please check out the above references and the supporting information contained below. Please do not hesitate to get in touch if we or contacts of ours can be of any assistance.

Thank you,

Keith Mothersson

Campaign for Visible Ballots

2b Darnhall Cres, Perth PH2 0HH

01738 783677 or mobile: 07815 653389

Keith[dot]mothersson[at]blueyonder[dot]co[dot]uk





Further supporting info:



ELECTION DEFENSE ALLIANCE:



http://www.electiondefensealliance.org/



So here is the big underlying story of the coming election! :
Citizens applying professionally managed, scientifically designed polling methodology will conduct exit poll voter surveys in strategically selected locations, presenting brief survey forms to voters exiting their polling places on Election Day (Tuesday, November 4th) 2008. The voters' anonymous responses reporting how they have cast their votes will be processed and analyzed in real time.

Unlike the national exit poll conducted by a private consortium of newsmedia corporations, who withhold their raw polling data and heavily "adjust" their results to match the reported election results (!), this Citizens' Exit Poll will fully disclose the data so there can be no doubt about the truth of the numbers and what they reveal about the purported truth of the official election results -- and, for that matter, the purported truth of the corporate newsmedia exit poll.

Fully transparent exit poll data is crucial in assessing the validity of the announced election outcomes.
Accept no substitutes.


http://www.electiondefensealliance.org/evp-




Was the 2004 Presidential Election Stolen? - http://www.electionintegrity.org/book.shtml

Freeman and Bleifuss make you smell the fraud, taste the fraud and understand the fraud -- in straightforward language that ends all dispute. - Greg Palast, author, Armed Madhouse and The Best Democracy Money Can Buy

http://www.stealingamericathemovie.org/index.html -

trailer and multiple clips of key aspects, also leads to Discussion points and FAQ here:

http://www.stealingamericathemovie.org/ ... oints.html

which among other things includes the following list of things which people can do to monitor election officials really closely and conduct citizen exit polls.

Why haven’t I heard about the electronic fraud on radio or TV? Even on the 'liberal' stations?

The media also needs to hear from us; especially those we think are the ‘liberal media.’ They sometimes report on overt disenfranchisement, but not the hidden, covert, computerized fraud. We need to write and call them. “Why don’t you know about this? If you know, why aren’t you reporting it? The public needs to know.”

What is the solution? What do we want to have happen?

We need to demand citizen participation and observation. The gold standard is hand-counting paper ballots, at least the federal races (President, U.S. Representative, and U.S. Senator) on Election Night at the precinct level. We need: (1) voter-marked paper ballots; (2) ballots counted by hand is an ideal method, but for now most paper ballots are counted by optical scanners. If so, then we also need election-night verification or audits with 99% statistical confidence level that outcomes are correct; and (3) citizen observation of the ‘chain of custody’ of ballots and memory cards beginning Election Night and until the election is certified.

How can I possibly know what to do or how to do it?

The film website www.stealingamerica.org/getactive suggests a wide range of actions people can take between now and November that can make a real difference. Some are small and simple, others more involved. There is something every one of us can do. Many of us can take several actions. Start by verifying that you, your family, friends, and co-workers are registered to vote.

But what can I do that will make a difference in November?

Some of the action items listed on the website are designed to prevent problems with this year's election, while others are designed to detect, document and respond to problems. Wherever possible, choose actions first that may prevent problems. What is most important varies with where you are and possibly even whether you can travel for Election Day. Important: on Election Day, if it is legal in your state, take your camera, especially a video camera, to the polls with you and videotape everything (except people’s secret ballot selections!). Videos are valuable in resolving disputes later about what happened. Read more on www.stealingamerica.org/getactive.

Is there anything we can do to get real exit poll data this year?

It is critical this year to run Citizen Exit Polls (Election Verification Polling) to validate announced outcomes or flag them as needing investigation. Several thousand volunteers are needed in key states. Please sign up through the film website or at www.ElectionDefenseAlliance.org/evp. To sign up by phone, call 510-233-2144.


Black box Voting
are a particularly pathbreaking and creative team led by the redoubtable Bev Harris, which has such command of local detail that they know exactly which questions to ask, which officials to watch, etc! :

CRITERIA FOR BLACK BOX VOTING ELECTION PROTECTION WATCH LIST:
Counties and municipalities are assigned to the 2008 Black Box Voting election protection "Watch List" when we get reasonably recent specifics demonstrating any of the following:

- History of significant anomaly in election results
- History of ignoring election law
- History of election official lying to the public
- Impossible numbers or ballot/results reconciliations missing or significantly incorrect
- Significant obstruction of freedom of information requests
- History of corruption/indictments. Think it doesn't happen? Think again. Two of the Watch List election officials have been indicted for embezzlement in the past 90 days.

- This year, any place still using ES&S iVotronics. These voting machines are so demonstrably flawed and in most locations, so entirely vendor-dependent that any election using them should be repudiated as "void" by the public. Click the Texas Watch List map on the home page if you want to know more.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A COUNTY OR MUNICIPALITY IS PUT ON THE WATCH LIST?

1. Customized citizen watchdog assignments for volunteers

2. See Web site - Watch List locations displayed on colored maps on home page: http://www.blackboxvoting.org for media and the public to see

3. Press releases to local media at Watch List locations

4. Increased Freedom of Information requests to Watch List locations

5. Stepped-up daily monitoring by Black Box Voting

6. Sharing of Watch List locations with other election integrity groups. public interest groups, and whatever political group cares to know

If you want to get our Watch List bulletins, and you haven't already done this, you can get the latest bulletins sent by joining the list here: http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums ... n=register




Hacking Democracy

Film : http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums ... 70900.html



More on Cybergate and Stephen Spoonamore:

They always poo-poo 'conspiracy theories' (hypotheses, actually) by claiming that if such and such a conspiracy had happened then insiders would surely have come forward:


Well they do - lots of them often, e.g. Clint Curtis or the printers in Florida who eventually reported use of inferior paper and misallignment to ensure the 'hanging chads' election-switching debacle and distractionism (and pretext for subsequent HAVA e-elections scam).


Now top level Republican IT operatives are blowing the whistle, much focussed on Ohio 2004 (where the evidence is not just huge but VERY well documented with a militant campaign, active lawyers, and three good Congresspeople behind it - Ron Paul, Dennic Kuchinich and Ron Conyers) - AND also every election since 2000.

Former McCain Insider Charges Election Fraud. Implicates McCain, Bush, Cheney and Rove

http://www.velvetrevolution.us/prosecute_rove/

Check out the revelations of Stephen Spoonamore -- a lifelong Republican, erstwhile member of McCain's campaign, and a prominent expert on computer fraud. Spoonamore has copious hard evidence revealing that Bush/Cheney stole a number of key races, starting with Florida eight years ago. He has named names, and has the goods to back up every claim. Plus, he knows quite a lot about plans to use illegal methods to make McCain America's next president (which is the reason he quit McCain's campaign).

See also

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Conspi ... 1-377.html


Will the mainstream 'media' mediate this or occlude it? Please FW this to any TV or radio journalists, politicians or relevant opinion formers.

But at least we have the internet: Masses of Youtube videos and articles accessible through http://www.velvetrevolution.us/prosecute_rove/

including 8 forthright and knowledgeable 'naming names' segments from Stephen Spoonamore's coming out interview.


Attached to the Court filing are two affidavits, one from cyber security expert Stephen Spoonamore and the other from analyst Richard Hayes Phillips. The Spoonamore affidavit asserts that the election computer setup used by Ken Blackwell in 2004 provided the means and opportunity for the manipulation of the election results. “ The vote tabulation and reporting system, as modified at the direction of Mr. Blackwell, allowed the introduction of a single computer in the middle of the pathway. This computer located at a company principally managing IT Systems for GOP campaign and political operations (Computer C) received all information from each county computer (Computer A) BEFORE it was sent onward to Computer B. This centralized collection of all incoming statewide tabulations would make it extremely easy for a single operator, or a preprogrammed single "force balancing computer" to change the results in any way desired by the team controlling Computer C. In this case GOP partisan operatives. Again, if this out of state system had ANY digital access to the Secretary of State’s system it would be cause for immediate investigation by any of my banking clients.” See Spoonamore Affidavit.

The Hayes affidavit asserts that after reviewing hundreds of thousands of documents, ballots and other election records, “it is my conclusion that there is so much evidence of ballot alteration, ballot substitution, ballot box stuffing, ballot destruction, vote switching, tabulator rigging, and old fashioned voter suppression, that the results of the 2004 presidential election, would have been reversed” had there been a real investigation. See Hayes Affidavit. He insists that the time is now to take depositions from those implicated in the theft of that election.





http://www.velvetrevolution.us/prosecut ... n_Full.wmv

Highlights from the Spoonamore Interview

Segment 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAyEfovA404
Segment 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTBLfgos5b8
Segment 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzKbigGoMoo
Segment 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vNvweInGFs
Segment 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX8fRwsTpoQ
Segment 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Kq4dxPwY8
Segment 7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsgY4_BB2lo
Segment 8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy1sz-xBxf8







Loser Take All,

edited by Mark Crispin Miller

Including essays by EDA's Jonathan Simon, Bruce O'Dell, Dave Griscom, Nancy Tobi and Paul Lehto, as well as Robert Kennedy, Jr., Bob Fitrakis, Brad Friedman, and others. With a preface by editor Mark Crispin Miller.

http://www.markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/

Videos of talks at the launch of Loser Take All book: http://markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/2 ... imon.html



Any 'election coverage' which doesn't highlight these crucial behind-the-scenes manipulations (and many other scams, voter-suppression techniques, etc) and the struggle to limit these manipulations and techniques and prosecute them, is just ‘keep-them-quiet’ visual wall-paper for the plebs.

BRADBLOG

Another hero of the Election Integrity Movement is Brad Freidman of www.BradBlog.com



'Murder, Spies & Voting Lies: The Clint Curtis Story' Premieres on DVD and LinkTV!

Clint Curtis was an everyday computer programmer until he was asked by a powerful Republican legislator in Florida to create vote-rigging software for electronic voting machines.

For the first time, Patty Sharaf's new, terrifying documentary, Murder, Spies & Voting Lies: The Clint Curtis Story, recounts the full, remarkable tale of what happened when, in the year 2000, one man found himself on the wrong end of a smoking gun.

Join journalist/blogger Brad Friedman, as he investigates Curtis's hair-raising story. Friedman uncovers the seamy side of American democracy that mainstream media fails to report.

Also featuring: Gore Vidal, Bob Fitrakis, Cynthia McKinney, Harry Hursti, Mavis Georgalis and a host of others.

Another Brad report highlights the Republican junta’s concern that things could go pear-shaped this November:

Report: 'Army Unit to be Deployed for Domestic Operations'

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6422

Brigade Combat Team From Iraq Said to be First Active 'Dedicated' Assignment by U.S. Unit to Northern Command

'May be Called Upon to Help With Civil Unrest, Crowd Control' Beginning in October, According to Military Paper...

From Democracy Now!...
Beginning in October, the Army plans to station an active unit inside the United States for the first time to serve as an on-call federal response in times of emergency. The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent thirty-five of the last sixty months in Iraq, but now the unit is training for domestic operations. The unit will soon be under the day-to-day control of US Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command. The Army Times reports this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to Northern Command. The paper says the Army unit may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control. The soldiers are learning to use so-called nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals and crowds.

The report from Army Times is certainly troubling, given the timing and the Constitution-hating evil-doers still allowed by Congress to continue holding the reins of our military. Back in 2005, an AP report headlined: "Bush: Boost military role in domestic emergencies" discussed the Constitutional issues that would block such domestic deployments of the U.S. military. Guess they got that all worked out? Or Bush just decided that following (and defending) the Constitution is a bit too quaint for him at this point in his failed "Presidency".

The brigade, according to the report, will be "known for the next year as...Consequence Management Response Force." Rest easy, kids!
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PRE-ELECTION BRIEFING ON 4 VERY REAL SETS OF DANGERS TO THE US ELECTION [Please help network to journalists etc as appropriate]

Since Florida 2000 I have been following with horror the 'failings' in the US electoral systems, brought to light by a large and extremely impressive non-partisan 'election integrity movement'.


One great sadness has been the degree to which the mainstream media in the US but also here have contented themselves to ignore the elephant of election theft in the room, when they 'cover' (interesting word that) the 'elections in the world's greatest democracy'.

Please good people may it be different this time! Please talk to your editors and ask them to ensure you sufficient time to do in-depths research of the many ways in which this election could be stolen or 'legally'-filibustered or over-ridden. And to assign you a sufficient budget to contact some of the many extremely well-informed election-integrity press-spokespeople who staff the third corner of this THREE-CORNERED FIGHT. Don't just rehash Reb and Dem handouts!! Don't just interview Rep and Dem spokespeople!!

Don't know the contacts, phone numbers? - start here:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/presskit.html

In a recent Guest article for Mike Smithson's highly regarded PoliticalBetting.com I identified three main ways in which Obama could still be frustrated even if, as seems likely, he has much greater popular support in the US:

a) the 'Jim Crow' voter-suppression struggle to purge and intimidate pro-Democrat demographics;

b) the 'Boss Tweed' struggle to fix the vote counts, greatly aided by secret software run by pro-Republican companies;

c) the struggle to manufacture events, polls and narratives which somehow explain or spin plausibility for
either a surprise McCain come-back -
or a Republican loss, but only narrrow, so that a huge landslide is miraculously prevented .... -

in either case in ways not-discernible to impartial and scientific post-electoral analysis, either by recounts (no ballots, faulty audit trails) or by e.g. psephological examinationof the entrails, e.g. of the cross tabs on exit polls (2004/2006).

My scenario of how, despite his large poll lead, Obama may still not make it to the White House is accessible here:

http://politicalbetting.com/index.php/a ... ent-823762 - and in a series of replies to critics beginning at Comment 84, see especially Comment 90.

I then received a couple of very cogent (and complementary) replies - outlining a fourth line of struggle McCain has to win - from colleague, Paul Lehto, a leading election integrity lawyer in the US, who has asked me to do what I can to circulate his briefing to UK media, in the hope that this time those who steal elections will find themselves 'called' on it by knowledgeable democrats in other parts of 'the West' and the world.

Paul argues that the Republicans have been raising unwarranted fears and legal cases about 'voter fraud' (retail misregistration, etc by the little people) as a way to distract from the real danger of wholesale election theft by the big people (nearly always Republicans in recent decades) - and that moreover they will aim to fight in the courts to get Ohio and some other states excluded form January's Electoral College determination of who will be the next President.

Paul's first comment went up on Political Betting as Comment 93, and I am hopeful that my posting of his follow-up briefing will also go up there, but in case it doesn't, please read on, either before or after tackling the above - thank you very much, and best wishes for helping to truly practice your important profession of truth telling on Nov 4 and in the followng days and weeks!

As Paul shows the very future of Democracy is at stake.

Keith Mothersson
Campaign for Visible Ballots
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PAUL LEHTO'S LEGAL, PHILOSOPHICAL AND TECHNOLOGICAL ANALYSIS OF THE USURPATION OF DEMOCRACY IN THE US

There are many US voices on the presidential election, going back years now and intensifying as we approach the election of 2008, training us all to think (intentionally or not) that we can not afford or tolerate another "Florida 2000" or survive a "constitutional crisis." This is a huge pressure on the public mind, and it operates most strongly within any drawn out post-election legal battle of exactly the type I've been predicting will make the US race "close" when nothing else can, in order to have the battle end prematurely and to have process circumvented, which by definition is before full justice can be done.

Indeed, given the Bush v. Gore decision's direct effect of terminating the 2000 presidential election during the recount phase of the election (a subject on which I wrote a royalty-free chapter in "Loser Take All" one of the best-selling books on Elections and Political Parties in the USA according to Amazon.com sales rankings) this is not just evidence but proof that post-election legal struggles end up with actual and premature terminations of process. In the case of Bush v. Gore, the statute that supposedly dictated that premature termination, 3 USC sec. 5's "safe harbor" statute was merely a "safe harbor" in which electors would not be subject to challenge during the tallying process for the Electoral College in the House and Senate in January, but not in any way an authorization to terminate a process provided for by state law. It was simply an explanation offered for that premature election termination. Yet, it was certainly no excuse or justification for that termination of the presidential election, because in any republic or democracy the voters are sovereign, and the very question of "what did the voters really say" in the election of their servants can't be terminated by the servants themselves via a congressional or any other kind of statute, without the legal and democratic absurdity of the servants becoming the de facto masters, turning our freedom's on their head.

At bottom, the very definition of any free people is the ability to kick the bums out whenever they want, especially if the bums are criminals or so misguided as to think they can override the ultimate will and power of the people. This most fundamental of freedoms is what the American Declaration of Independence termed the *inalienable* right to "alter or abolish" the forms of government has subsequently been so widely adopted as to make it into many national constitutions around the world as well as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. It's a direct function of the universally accepted principle, except in dictatorships, that the will of the people and the consent of the governed is the one and only legitimate source of power.

But, just when we need that freedom the very most, to kick out a criminal incumbent election official or corrupt politician, is when we are denied that freedom in the most striking two ways:

(1) We are denied that freedom by premature terminations of process, such as Bush v. Gore's election termination, and the congressional election contest I litigated in California's 50th Congressional District in which the Congress swore in one of their friends to return to Congress only 7 days after the hotly contested "bellwether" special election in June 6, 2006, with over 68,500 votes still left uncounted on the FIRST count, with the subsequent legal claim made by the selected rather than elected Congressman that the Constitution itself prohibited California state courts from having any power to look into it, much less recount the election. International election monitors from the OSCE (without any effort on our part) took note of the case as significant to democratic elections, but the national US media did not cover it, despite request. See page 27 of doc at http://www.osce.org/item/23567.htmland see also http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3353

The case was ultimately declared "moot" in January after the New Congress took office, even though the lawsuit never sought to change who sat in congress, it sought the truth of the election via recount, etc. See http://www.votelaw.com/blog/archives/005134.html

2. Even more fundamentally, and undeniably denying the people the right to vote when we need it the most -- to remove criminal incumbents -- is the reality of invisible, secret vote counts on computerized vote counting equipment. This is true whether or not the secret software counts are protected in the US (as vendors and election officials sign private contracts that claim them to be) under the intellectual property doctrine of "trade secrecy", because even with "open source" software, there's still the problem of invisibility and more importantly the assertion that there is inadequate time for the kind of forensic and impossible to understand (for the public) investigation of the truth of the election. Trade secrecy property rights, if upheld in a future real and published precedent, would mean (and in operation today DOES mean) that private corporate intellectual property rights prevail over the truth-seeking process of courts in the most important conceivable context for seeking the truth: The truth of an election for President or Congress.

One example is the (non-precedential) ruling of a trial court judge in the FL-13 congressional election contest in 2006, where 18,000 or so "undervotes" mysteriously appeared, but this large undervote was found only in the one of the three counties in that district that was strong for the reported 2nd place finisher, in a race election officials reported/admitted to be only a few hundred votes apart. If President Franklin Delano Roosevelt's definition of fascism has any weight anywhere, in light of the FL-13 ruling that intellectual property of corporations is more important than the truth of the public's will in the election, these are ominous times for freedom in the United States of America. The very heart and soul of freedom and democracy is the count of the vote, and the governmental units in the USA and other countries have purported to not just "sell out" this heart and soul, but to pay billions of dollars for corporations to take it.

"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it comes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group…" President Franklin Delano Roosevelt

It is difficult to understate the gravity of the problem here, yet the media seems unwilling to take on the entire elections establishment for at least "blowing it" and the corporate vendors at the same time. This is why I've asked for foreign media to cover this, whether mainstream or independent or bloggers. At the very least, reporters in the US are counting on election officials for access to inside "scoops" on election results, and risk burning bridges by telling the greater truths here. Thus, the truth must be told both "underground" and in foreign media.

Anyone can contact me at Paul Lehto (Juris Doctor), PO Box #1, Ishpeming MI 49849 (906) 204-2333 or lehto.paul@gmail.com THANK YOU.


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For the defence of our one worldwide civilian Motherland, against whatever ruling or informal fraternities.

May all beings be happy
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